>> How do these scammers get our numbers anyway when I am on a DO NOT CALL list? <<
If you ever posted your phone number on a social site, or used it when ordering online, or typed it in an insecure computer, or gave it to a friend whose computer was attacked, or filled out an entry form at a fair or a supermarket, or used it on a contest entry form, or put it on a postcard for a magazine or purchase, or were among those whose information was hacked from some organization, or obtained a "new" phone number ... your number is probably known to the scammers.
Allow me to present another possibility in a very simple fashion ... not to insult your intelligence, but to attempt to get the idea across to even those who have difficulty understanding more complicated answers. Click on the "Info" line, below, to learn about that possibility.
Info Robodialers for Dummies Can you count?
If you answered "yes", that is a good start. Try counting from 1 to 10 now. I will wait.
..........
Finished? Good.
I want you to think "0" instead of "10". Got it?
Now, get a piece of paper and a pen or pencil, and write down those ten numbers. Here, I will help you, in case your forgot:
0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9
Now get ready to write down some more numbers. I want you to write them down in the following format:
ABC-DEF-GHIJ
Yes, I know those are letters, but I want you to use numbers, instead.
Think of a number between 0 and 9 ... pick one from the list I gave above, if you wish.
Write it down, instead of the "A", above
Do that nine more times, writing it down instead of the other letters.
Now, look at the result.
Does it ring a bell?
It should, because you just wrote down a phone number!
Mr Computer is very good at making numbers.
Mr Computer can do what you just did in a fraction of a second.
In other words, Mr Computer can make and dial phone numbers VERY quickly.
Spammers and scammers who know about Mr Computer do not need to register and buy the DNC list.
Spammers and scammers who know about Mr Computer can even dial "unlisted" numbers, or "private numbers" or "brand-new numbers you just got"!
The DNC list is not a magic switch that blocks these calls from reaching your phone. It is merely a list. It is NOT a call blocker!
There, now you know all about how spammers can dial YOUR phone number, even if it is unlisted, and even if only relatives know it, and even if it is on or off the DNC list.
I hope that helps prove the DNC list DOES work! It helps prevent calls from registered / legitimate telemarketers, but it is not able to stop calls from telespammers. It is also NOT designed to stop political callers (who usually get the numbers from voter registration lists), calls from charities, or some other companies, such as debt collectors; or some companies with which you have done business in the last 18 months.
Here are two pages of links to (mostly government) sites in Canada and the USA were you can report phone scams, or learn more about them.
* First, look elsewhere on this site for an Article, entitled "Where to Report Phone Crime". (It may appear in the column to your right).
* For a more frequently updated list of complaint sites, with links to government web pages, look here:
http://phonehelp.2truth.com/complaint_sites.html
For the latest news on US government and industry efforts to stop illegal or unwanted robocalls, see:
http://phonehelp.2truth.com/initiatives.html
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I believe that LDM stands for "legal debt mediations" a criminal enterprise pretending to be a debt collector. They must be using the "package" as a con to get you to respond to their call.
Read up on your rights here and also make a complaint at this government site: http://www.consumerfinance.gov/
Also file a complaint with your State Attorney General's office.
List of State AG’s offices: http://800notes.com/faq/attorney-general
Some mediation process center calling for a Gene/Jean Caulley(sp?). I have told them repeatedly they have the wrong household and phone # and to remove me from their call list... no luck!
Received a call from LDM upon answering it was a recording that said "we attempted to deliver a parcel to your address but it came back as wrong address. Please press 1 to have parcel re-delivered to your address". Upon pressing 1 stated call was redirected to leave message for Mediation Processing Services. Listened to message briefly then hung up.
Serious debt scammers. Extensive history of debt scamming on 800notes. Ignore and block any calls from this group
Phony “package delivery” message well-documented on BBB page.
Per records of the Secretary of State for Florida
LEGAL DEBT MEDIATION, LLC AKA: GOLDMAN WALKER & ASSOCIATES AKA POWER CREDIT SOLUTIONS
Detail by Entity Name
Florida Limited Liability Company
LEGAL DEBT MEDIATION, LLC
Filing Information
Document Number: L13000063833
FEI/EIN Number: 46-2382358
Date Filed: 05/01/2013
State: FL
Status: ACTIVE
Effective Date: 05/01/2013
Principal Address
3990 CONFEDERATE POINT ROAD
JACKSONVILLE, FL 32210
Mailing Address
3990 CONFEDERATE POINT ROAD
JACKSONVILLE, FL 32210
Registered Agent Name & Address
POWELL, JAMES
3990 CONFEDERATE POINT ROAD
JACKSONVILLE, FL 32210
Authorized Person(s) Detail
Name & Address
Title MGR
POWELL, JAMES
3990 CONFEDERATE POINT ROAD
JACKSONVILLE, FL 32210
BBB:
Legal Debt Mediation LLC
Jacksonville, FL 32205
BBB File Opened: 02/24/2014
Business Category
Collection Agencies
THIS BUSINESS IS NOT BBB ACCREDITED
Legal Debt Mediation LLC
F BBB Rating System
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Just because someone on the phone calling you says you owe a debt does not mean you actually owe it.
If a voice on the telephone claims you owe a debt:
1. Demand the person give you his or her name, company name, and address
2. Demand a debt validation letter by US mail. E-mail no good.
3. Do not pay the collection agent or anyone else a dime until the debt is validated
Of course they won’t do this, no scammer ever will, so simply ignore them and block their calls.
If they are bothering you, report them:
http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0149-debt-collection (Threatening civil proceedings with no intent to follow through, or threatening criminal process in order to collect a civil debt is a violation of the Federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act.) The same goes for endless telephone harassment
Also contact your local attorney general
If they continue to bother you, and you know you do not owe any money, tell them that you know this is a debt scam and that you are making a complaint to the police for extortion. Once you get a copy of the police report and they call you again , just read out the file number and the name of the PD or Sheriff’s office involved. Tell them you’ll be glad to send a copy to them at whatever address the jack***es are working out of now.
You'll probably have to yell at them and talk over them. Tell 'em no scammy debt collector is going to push you around.
You have to get tuff with these people because, being akin to thugs, brute force is (metaphorically speaking). the only thing they understand.