Who called from 4084043021

THIS NUMBER IS YET ANOTHER NUMBER FROM THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ARE INDIAN ACCENT WHO WERE AFFILIATED WITH ELLIS, CROSBY AND ASSOC WHO TRY TO CALL AND IMPERSONATE THAT THEY ARE OFFICERS OF THE LAW AND THEY THREATEN TO HAVE YOU ARRESTED FOR SO CALLED "INTERNET FRAUD WITH YOUR SSN".  THEY ARE VERY RUDE AND PERSISTENT ON TRYING TO SCARE YOU INTO PAYING THEM SOME MONEY. THE CALLER ID WILL COME ACROSS AS PRIVATE SOMETIMES, UNAVAILABLE SOMETIMES AND I HAVE HAD IT SAY NEWARK , NEW JERSEY BEFORE.  THEY REFUSE TO GIVE YOU ANYTHING IN WRITING NOR  WILL THEY GIVE YOU AN ADDRESS OR ANYTHING ELSE.  THEY CONTINUE TO CALL CHANGING THEIR NAMES EACH TIME. I DONT KNOW HOW MANY TIMES THEYVE TOLD ME THEIR NAME WAS KEVIN, CHARLIE AND THE LATEST OFFICER SOMEBODY.  THEY ALSO SAY THEY REPRESENT SOMETHING CALLED BMG COMPANY WHICH IS ALSO A FRAUD AND A SCAM.  THESE PEOPLE NEED TO BE STOPPED.  THEY CALL AT LEAST ONCE MAYBE TWICE A DAY.  THEYLL TELL YOU YOU ARE BEING RECORDED BUT WHEN YOU CALL THEIR BLUFF AND EXPLAIN YOUR ON TO THEIR ILLEGAL TACTICS THEY WILL SAY THEY ARE GOING TO PUT YOU ON HOLD THEN HANG UP ON YOU.  REAL PROFESSIONAL ISNT IT.  THEY EVEN HAVE ANSWERED THE PHONE WITH HELLO.  WHAT BUSINESS ANSWERS LIKE THAT.

P.O.'d, I know you've seen all this information before, but I'm re-posting it for anyone who gets a call from this number and isn't familiar with this scam:
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If you receive a call from someone using 408-404-3021 who demands money from you, please know that it's a scam and that their threats are false and illegal.  This is a very active group of scammers, many of whom are calling from India (and probably other countries) and are in cahoots with a group of American pay day loan scammers. They attempt to extort money from consumers with a myriad of false and illegal threats, and alternately pose as debt collectors, federal and state law enforcement officers, lawyers and bankers. (And, typical of many financial scams, they demand payment via Western Union or MoneyGram or credit card.) They use any number of phony names such as US National Bank, Federal Investigation Bureau, US Legal Investigation Bureau, Hopkins Law Office, United Legal Processing, Morgan Associates, United Pay Services, National Processing, White Collar Crime Unit and many more.  These criminals also use many phone numbers from many area codes; they're probably using caller-id spoofing software and/or VoIP to disguise their real location.

A consumer posting a complaint about these same scammers at http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-718-831-7157 notes that 718-831-7157 is associated with an India-based "outsourcing" telephone bank.  Though a reverse search on WhitePages.com shows that 718-831-7157 is an unlisted land line in New York City, information on Debtbuyers.Com shows that that number is used by India-based Intellisourze. (Source: http://www.debtbuyers.com/debtbuyers.asp ) My guess is that it's a VoIP phone number.

This is another piece of the puzzle that fits in perfectly with other information about this scam. There are reports on 800Notes and BudHibbs.com that suggest that the crooks behind this offshore scam are also the crooks behind the notorious Bass/Ellis Crosby & Assoc./States Predisposition scams in Florida and Georgia. The interesting thing is that the number of complaints on here about the US National Bank/US Legal Investigation/Federal Investigation scam skyrocketed *after* April 7, 2008 when Florida obtained a $1.3 million judgment against Ted Ellis Crosby, shutdown his operations and barred him from ever conducting debt collections in Florida (Read http://myfloridalegal.com/newsrel.nsf/newsrel ... 5257424005858A6 ) There's certainly a good chance that the crooks placing these calls from India are doing so on behalf of the American crooks behind the Crosby/Bass/States Predisposition scams.

Here's the contact information for the phone bank in India:

IntellisOurzE BPO
701, Sapphier, Nr. Cargo Motors,
C.G. Road Navrangpura,
Ahmedabad - 9. (Guj.) INDIA.
E-Mail: [email protected]
Website: www.intellisourze.com

A check on the domain name "intellisourze.com" shows that the website and name registration was created on May 8, just one month *after* the Crosby scams were shut down in Florida:

Domain Name: INTELLISOURZE.COM
Registrant:  Pragra Infratech Pvt. Limited.
Email:  [email protected]    
908, Aksaht Tower, Nr. ICICI Bank
Opp. Rajpath Club, S.G. Highway
Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India 380054
Tel. +91.7926871353
Creation Date: 08-May-2008
Expiration Date: 08-May-2009
Domain servers in listed order: ns5.znetindia.com ns4.znetindia.com
(Source: http://whois.domaintools.com/intellisourze.com )

Though scam calls from these crooks have been going on long before May 8, the frequency of complaints about these calls increased considerably after Crosby was shut down in early April.

This is conjecture, but appearances suggest that Crosby and company were originally running a two-pronged payday loan scam operation -- with some calls being made from Jacksonville, Florida and other calls being made from a phone bank in India (and possibly other countries); then, after the Florida Attorney General shut down the Crosby scams in Florida, the Crosby crooks transferred most of their scam efforts to the India phone bank.

If you are targeted by these criminals, be sure to report them to all the following federal and state law enforcement agencies (most of which you can do online or over the phone):

1) The U.S. Secret Service is responsible for protecting the country's financial infrastructure and payment systems from international and domestic threats. Call or write your local Secret Service field office to alert them to the details of this attempted extortion. The addresses and phone numbers for the local Secret Service field offices are listed at http://www.secretservice.gov/field_offices.shtml or in your phone book.

2) Alert the FBI at https://tips.fbi.gov  Be sure to tell the FBI that you are being targeted by extortionists over the phone who are posing as federal law enforcement. Be sure to give as many details as you can.

3) File a complaint with your local police. Most police departments will take a report over the phone.  Be sure to tell them that you're being targeted by an extortionist and give them all the details.

4) File a complaint your state's attorney general, the contact information for whom is at www.naag.org

5) File a complaint online with The Federal Trade Commission at https://rn.ftc.gov/pls/dod/wsolcq$.startup?Z_ORG_CODE=PU01

If these crooks call back, promise them nothing, pay them nothing and tell them nothing other than that you know they're a scam and that you've reported them to law enforcement. (And be sure to report them to all the agencies above each time they call you.)

By the way, here's just a small sample of numbers used by this particular group of scammers. Read the reports and you'll see the same pattern time and again -- phony organization names, thick foreign accents, and oddly worded false threats that are so melodramatic and ridiculous that it's laughable:

http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-925-262-1327
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-678-954-6346
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-341-4004
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-856-831-0640
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-949-743-1140
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-410-505-8128
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-917-464-2534
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-210-858-6602
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-775-2121
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-949-743-1156
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-214-245-1402
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-214-245-0922
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-214-723-5572
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-904-425-2863
http://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-718-831-7157

these people r damn fool.they might be from INDIA.they doesn't know the terms of SSN# as well as how to speak !! the guy called from this number 718-831-7157 and another number is 404-408-3021 Peter Jhones was damn f**ker.bloody dont know how to speak and what to speak.he was constantly speaking something and i could not understood a single word what he was saying,he was saying something about the law.i think he was reading a script.ELSE ONE MORE IMP THING,WHOEVER THESE GUYS ARE ! THEY BLOODY DONT KNOW SATURDAYS N SUNDAYS R OFF IN USA. IF THEY ARE FROM ANY LEGAL FIRM,HOW THEY R THERE ON SATURDAYS.THEY ALL R MAKING FOOL OUT OF US.I WILL COMPLAIN THIS TO FBI AS SOON AS POSSIBLE AND I WILL NEVER LET THEM GO,THEY ALL WILL HAVE TO PAY FOR THIS.I WILL SHOW THEM NOW WHAT IS HARRASING.

Like ec stated..do not pay these fools one dime. Calling someone on the phone and demanding money is illegal. All debt collectors that are legit will send a letter validating the debt and then follow up with a phone call. never pay money to someone who just demands it over the phone. These guys have called me several times. They just speak in a very thick accent will not let you get one word in. As soon as someone calls them with ( I had my attorney call them) real legal authority they either hang up or put them on hold(of course never take the call)and then when u call back they won't answer the phone. They are trying to get the person that is scared and will do anything to stop the calls so they pay them. Never give into this. What is being done is illegal. REport them to the fbi, attorney generals office. Hopefully this operation too can be shut down!!!

before were calling from 7188317157 today started calling from the 408 number even talked to my supervisor and she also told them to stop calling they are very demanding...